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There is nothing you can do to sully that godly soul. It remains infinitely connected. It's perhaps a diamond in the mud, but it still remains a diamond. And you are worthy of loving connection despite your misdeeds. And at the highest level, your misdeeds become this opportunity for tremendous growth. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the B'Iyun Podcast. This morning I had the pleasure of spending some time with Rabbi Mordechai Berg from Yeshivat Mevaseret. Berg is somebody that I look up to tremendously through the years of seeing him just give his year and kind of how he handles himself in the world of of Chinnach and the NCSY world and Yeshivat Mevaseret as a whole and there's just so much to learn from him. And today's topic that we spoke about and we got really in-depth in, as I like to say, in the idea of being vulnerable during your year in Yeshivah and Seminary.
Welcome to the Israel Gap Year B'Iyun Podcast. I'm your host Avi Proctor and in each episode we get B'Iyun, in-depth into the remarkable lives of individuals in Israel who dedicate themselves to inspire the next generation of Klal Yisrael. Okay, great to be here. Thank you so much for the opportunity. I grew up in the five towns. I went to a bunch of different yeshivas. I was in Haftar until fifth grade. And then we'll keep it clean. I went, I journeyed from Haftar to a place called Yeshiva D'arche Torah, which is a very different move.
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So one is a coed modern Orthodox school, the other was a black hat Yeshivishah school I feel very blessed to have had the opportunity to learn in both of those very incredible institutions I got very close with her by bender and Darachay Bar Hacham. I still have a kasher with him today and then Rambam for four years made it through all four years. So that was That was very special great crew great Hevra and then I went to Mevaseret actually and Mevaseret B'chavrusa
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In the end Baruch Hashem went a different direction, but that was my initial foray into this dream of teaching in Eretz Yisrael. In fact, when I was dating my wife, she asked me if I wanted to live in Eretz Yisrael because that was really important to her. And I said, yes, but it's more important to me to teach. So if I can't teach in Eretz Yisrael, I'd rather be a Rebbe in America than be a businessman in Eretz Yisrael. And she was on board for that And then when we were making aliyah so I had these opportunities And out of the blue, I don't know if I'm allowed to say which one, but there was a Yesheba high school in America that offered me to be the mon G'chimach
I don't know if I can pinpoint an exact time, but it's probably a reflection of my own journey. I don't think I'm alone in this, but I think a lot of us feel like we're faking our way through life. I definitely felt that way in elementary school and high school. Even my year in Israel, I definitely felt there was an element of this thing that I should be. And I spent a lot of time trying to be that person for other people. Including from Kite. Not just being a cool high school kid. It was also really important to me. I was coming into Erich's trial and you have to do the flip out thing. That was definitely a part of what I had in my head. There was definitely a significant part of my journey early on where I was pushing myself to be somebody that I wasn't.
Because that's what I thought I had to be. So then you're living with this duality of knowing that you're a faker. Rebbe in Mevaseret V'frum meant that I had to be like this idol-matal, very gentle, you know, like hold your hands like this and speak in very low tones and like develop some sort of hunch, you know, that's what I was like trying to do and In this one Rebbe noticed and he's like You're not him. I was like, but I'm supposed to be right and he's like no That's the craziest thing and he really gave it to me. I don't know if I heard I mean I definitely heard it, but I don't know if I heard it. It took time to realize that discovering the contours of our own being and coming into that, I think is the most important part of becoming as a human being, as an adult, as a Jew.
So, I don't know if I could pinpoint an exact time, but I think that's so much of what we're obligated to give over to these very young men and women. And I think at 18, if you remember what it was like to be 18, 18 is... It's only a few years ago for me. I'm 43 now. 18 is very young. It's the oldest they've ever been. And it's this rite of passage, I'm not in high school anymore, but 18 is very young. And I think we do have an obligation to say to them that whatever it is they're going through, it's okay and it's understandable, and whatever it is that they're going through is part of this process of becoming, and sort of just give them permission and space to do that. And we're threading the needle between two very hard things here, because Judaism has rules and regulations like in any relationship. And so there are things, because we're in a relationship
The Well, first of all, I mean, I don't know if it's a piece of advice, but it is okay to struggle. Like, I think, I think sometimes as Rebbeim, I think what we do is we pretend that we're perfect. And so the talmidim think that we are, and then they think that they have to be. One of my favorite, one of my favorite days ever in Yeshiva was a young man. We went on a walk together and he burst out crying.
Be a Rebbe We don't realize how much our talmidim are paying attention to us. So if somebody came to me and they were struggling I would say welcome to the club You know you think that just because you're 18 you look at a Rebbe who's maybe been doing it for a while longer We're just older, you know, and and maybe there are certain things that we've leveled out of but there are new things that we've leveled into So new struggles and I think that our educational model again, I don't know if it's a piece of advice but we have to communicate to these kids that The struggle is part of the process. I'll give you an example of this. This is less dramatic example but I think it's important. How many young men come to Yeshiva and Eretz Yisrael for the year, open up a Gemara and then they get frustrated right away and they go, I don't know what it's saying. I can't read it, I can't translate it, I can't punctuate it, I can't vowelize it, I'm missing the background information, I've never been trained to understand the dialectic, I've never learned Risk Alumnus before. I don't understand, even if I do know all the words of the Gemara, I'm not sure that I could follow Shabbat T'shesh
I'm not good at this yet. Okay, so what what's the problem with that? You're not supposed to be good at this So I guess if someone came to me and asked me for a piece of advice, I would say Maybe the first thing is this is like understandable. It's normal. It's expected I'm not sure what else you'd be looking for you'd be looking to be great at it day one I mean, that's not the way anything in life works. You're gonna go to into business. You're not gonna be great at it day one You're gonna make mistakes the other thing I would say is It's really about the journey, not about the results. I think the people who stick with the struggle and they stay in it and they're able to embrace their own imperfections, they're learning so much just from the journey. I don't know if we ever arrive. I don't know if there's a place called completion in this world.
Vulnerability Israel gap year b'iyun podcast M'SADR KADUSHIN He was this real Tzadek of a guy. And he married this real Tzadek. You know like two people? And this Rebbe under the Chappel looked at me and he goes into the mic. Everyone heard it. He goes, how much does it annoy you to know that these two will never fight? They'll never struggle with their Shalom Bias. And everyone burst out laughing. And I said to him very gently under the Chappel, I was like, this might not be the best time to have that conversation. But the truth is I don't think he was right. I'm betting that they also had their shalom pious struggles, even though they're two wonderful people. Learning to live together is hard.
But we learn so much and we become so much along the way. So I wouldn't, I don't know, I wouldn't want to be good at it. If I was good at it, how would I ever become? Does that make sense? Of course. And you know, yeah, you talked a little bit about the journey a second ago that, you know, everything is about a journey per se. So talk a little bit about that journey that you take students through a little bit in Yeshiva and how you cultivate an environment essentially du, were there like, I come into yeshiva and maybe I'm not so comfortable or so used to being vulnerable in somewhat of a public setting or even a private setting so kind of how do you get kids to that step of like, at least step one maybe of like opening up and being vulnerable and Trekhat I think we do have to recognize, in a general sense our community is amazing and Baruch Ashan, we do a lot of amazing calls and I'm not sure that this is unique to our community I think that a lot of the kids coming in
I don't want to say Hashem anything bad. I don't mean to say that the community is only competitive. We're also a community of tremendous Hased and tremendous limanat Torah and tephelah and communal infrastructure. There's a tremendous amount of amazing things about the community. And one area perhaps where we could expand a little bit is to be a little bit less... So I think we have to recognize that it's our responsibility to create an environment where there's a level of, like a high level of safety. Because in all things, ch'noch safety first. Nobody's gonna do something if they're deeply uncomfortable. So, you know, it's the environment that you create in the Yeshiva, the Shenebec guys, let's say leading the way because they've been through it. In Rebbeim's offices, you know, giving guys permission to talk about their struggles, recognizing that Chinnoch today doesn't only mean the Limidatorah.
It's just as much, I think, we've taken the Musser movement in a certain sense to its farthest point, right? It's not just about learning that particular saver, but it's learning the person. It's really trying to understand the mench. And I think one thing I will say is I find that the kids today are exceptional. I think it's a dormitsuyo and I think people talk about Yeridos Adorahs. I don't know what they're talking about. I think the kids are amazing. I think they have a different set of challenges than we had perhaps in the 90s and even in the early 2000s. But I think they're incredible. I think their openness to discovering themselves and to talking about their struggles I think is way ahead of what I would have done as a kid. So we can create an environment of safety just by authentically having real kindness and compassion for the talmidim because Everything is understandable, even if we don't understand it yet Every single thing we do is understandable. The kid who's struggling in Yeshiva or with his own personal growth or with different areas of Yiddishkeit, if you would actually know what we went through and why we're behaving that way, we're understandable. Anything that's understandable is forgivable.
So if a guy walks into a Rabbi's office and he's genuinely looked at with compassion, with kindness, because he is understandable, of course he's going to open up. They want to, by the way. I find that kids want to unburden themselves, because they're holding a very heavy knapsack. And they're walking hunched over, and they want to let go of that knapsack. And it's really hard to let go, especially if that knapsack has been protecting you for so long. So I think if we do that, you'll see very soon. Vary Quickly, they'll flock, they'll be like, okay, so like, yeah, I gotta talk about this, you know? You know, getting kids to kind of, as you just said, unload on that knapsack, that of course is a process, right? So through that process of getting kids to really open up and unload and be vulnerable, what would you say are some of those humps that kids, that is a common hump?
It could be a general klal or specific things we've seen with kids of like, that is why that kid is not, you know, able to open up or kind of essentially get that backpack off their back. I think it's the same for everybody, but I don't think it's just about the kids. I think I do it too. I think all the adults I know do it. Every single person in the world struggles with shame. Shame is the mother of all exiles. So it's this fundamental belief that I'm unworthy of love and connection because of what I've done. And in Judaism, if we're being honest, we don't really want you to experience that type of shame. Rambam Tanya Rebbe nachman vulnerability Israel gap year b'iyun podcast If a guy is going to come in and unburden himself and he's about to tell Rebbe, I did this, right?
I ate Burger King or whatever the equivalent of that is that the guys are and the girls are struggling with today So then they have to believe that they are a godly soul Elokai Neshama Shana Satyabita Horehi. There is nothing you can do to sully that godly soul It remains infinitely connected. It's perhaps a diamond in the mud, but it still remains a diamond and You are worthy of loving connection despite your misdeeds. At the highest level, your misdeeds become this opportunity for tremendous growth. It's really hard to walk into a Rebbe's office and say, I did X if that makes me unworthy of loving connection. I think that would be my first answer. My second answer would be, It's really hard to let go of those things because they're protectors. Like, let's say for example, laziness, right? It's very easy for a guy in Yeshiva, you know, Rebbe go, oh, he's lazy, you know.
But laziness is also a coping mechanism. Like, why is he lazy? Like, what's going on that he's lazy? Well, I'm just making something up. Let's say his laziness protects him from failure. Because if I don't try, then I don't fail. And let's say for him, failure means he's unworthy of love and connection.
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I tried so many different methods and it's just not going anywhere and then you say like I'm gonna Step back a little bit like do you ever have those types of situations? And do you think you could ever give up in that regard on a kid? I Would just maybe Reframe the premise a little bit because I don't know that it's our job to open them up And I think that that could also be a mistake Have to like move like there's only one piece of the puzzle missing and you have to like move them all together, right? Once you start to shift things, you don't know how other things are gonna shift, right? So let's say for example that kid who's lazy because he's protecting himself from failure So now you've given him this like come on man. You got to like deal with this, right?
Well, what if he starts to really unpack like where does that feel or fear of failure come from? And now he starts to look at his family of origin his community is ribbaim, right? There might be some fall out there, which is okay, but that has to be his choice I don't know that we're working on people to open them up. We're creating the opportunity for people to do what they want with it. And I think it's okay for them to go at their pace, which I think really is the part that answers your question. If after four and a half months they haven't opened up, that's okay. If it's not okay, then we fail to create the safety because they have to go at their pace. And I would finish just by saying how important the meadah of patience is as a Rebbe. Because, you know, you could write a kiddo off after four and a half months, but why?
Like, we're invested in the Jewish community. We're invested in our people literally from the day that they're born until the day that they're died, you know, that they pass away.
New york, new york, new york Asal charaevan keneilochahavir Asal charaev means you have a Rebbe who is challenging you, so you better go buy a friend because you're going to need to support them. Support System I think today the Rebbe is playing a very dual role of Aselah H'raib and Kanayla H'Chava whether Rebbe is also that support system. So you're right. Our job is to challenge them. But there's a thin line here where challenge becomes control. And control is like that's the thing we have to make sure to stay away from. Because it's their journey. Right? So I can challenge them and maybe say a hard thing and maybe go, it seems like you could use some help in this area.
Shabbat B'Iyun Podcast I think that even if they make choices that are not the choices we would want them to make maybe they're even choices that are antithetical to Torah Okay, but we care about people right so it's we genuinely if we genuinely care about people so then we'll give them that runway You know you mentioned a second ago about you know Asel Ha'harav and K'Nel Ha'Hahver I think sometimes when it comes to the Rebbe Talmud relationship and Shabbat Rabbik Lance because we spoke about this in his episode It's it's it's a hard balance sometimes when you are
Shabbat B'Iyun Podcast He says, I just have trouble with what you are. You're like my friend or you're like my Rebbe. And I started teaching when I was much younger, so we were actually much closer in age. The Talmudah now is a little bit easier. I'm significantly older than them. And my wife said to him, he came over to the house once, and my wife said to him, you don't want him to be your friend. You may have plenty of friends, but you don't have that many Rebbeim. I do think that a Rebbe who becomes a friend, we've lost something, because then that's not your Rebbe anymore. A friend challenges you, I think, in a very different way. So I do think that we have to be Rebbeim first. That means role models and it means holding ourselves accountable to a high standard so that they can look up to us.
Also recognizing that we're allowed to be imperfect. But I do think that there should be a healthy distance. This was actually a topic of conversation between Rav Hirschul and I on NCSY Kolal. They did a, this past summer, they did like an open debate between different Rebbeim and different topics. It was fascinating. And the topic that Rav Hirschul and I were given was should a Rebbe know what a young man is doing on a matzah shabbos? I'm cleaning it up because I think they said Saturday night. And it was a fascinating conversation because Rav Hirschul was taking the position of course. Rebbe should know because you want your Rebbe involved in your life. I had to take the harder position, which is not a position that I 100% agree with, but that there is value in having the distance between a Rebbe and a Talmud. Probably somewhere in between those things is where the truth is.
But I do think that our guys lose out when there are pals with their Abbe and when their buddies with their Abbe and slap them on the back and go, you're a Rebbe, what's going on? I think they lose out because that's not a Rebbe that they look up to. I think when I was younger the Rebbeim were older and more distant and then there was a course correction where the Rebbeim became much younger and much more relevant and I think now we're sort of back in the middle of those two things partially because those younger Rebbeim I think have gotten older but I think also because we recognized the danger of having Rebbeim that were more like NCSY advisors than Rebbeim. If you don't have that Dukmani Sheed, if you don't have that role model to look up V When You Strived for Greatness I Would Probably Arise on the Side of more to the Rebbe Side Than the Friendship Side I can't help but think about it through the process of being a Rebbe and through the process of Helping Kids for so long Do You Ever Have it Where You Leave a Conversation With a Kid and you are like maybe the advice that I give him probably wasn't the best advice.
Do you ever have that happen to you? Yeah, of course, of course I've made that mistake many times. I heard from early Dr. Levitz, I think is of Waxman's father-in-law and very well-known therapist. Years ago, he gave a shiur that I went to and he said we clap a'alche yah atz nurah So he said perhaps that means advice is bad. Not I gave bad advice, but advice is bad And it was humbling to learn that because I always thought Mayr Abayim, like they knew the answers to my questions The truth of the matter is nobody knows the answers to our questions and our Abayim are not again going to take responsibility For the negative impact of the advice that they give so I've tried to move away from giving advice In fact, I'll share with you, if Parnas shalita Marya B visit yourunedr Foshilaymah When I had this big decision about making aliyah or not Rebbeim has given me advice.
And when I went to her partners he said, this one I can't help you with because you have to own this decision. I could just help you formulate the problems. I could help you understand what each side means. But after that, this is your life. You have to make this decision. And it was so frustrating to me because I was like, Rebbe, just tell me what to do. And there is value, I think, in offering some wisdom of, you know, we're older so we've Vulnerability Israel gap year b'iyun podcast If we don't do that, we rob them of the growth of decision making. Decision making builds muscle.
So if we make their decision for them, not only might our advice be bad, but we've also robbed them of the opportunity to do the hard work. You know, I can't help but think also with all this that we're talking about is that, and this is a very specific question, but there are definitely people, whether it's a friend that you're very close with or a Rebbe or some form of a mentor in your life where you get very vulnerable with, you open up a lot. And then that person does something and that relationship is gone. And then from there that kind of scars you to be comfortable to let's say open up to somebody else in the future. So maybe, do you have any advice for let's say somebody that's listening to this that had a relationship let's say with somebody for years. And they were so close, open with about everything. And then that kind of scarred them essentially to what's your advice to help them say you know what that's not the end of being able to trust somebody and open up and whatnot.
I have had that and that it is very hard and I can understand if somebody was hurt in that way. I would be able I think to be very empathetic to that. There was somebody in my life who betrayed my trust, somebody that I really like shared with them very vulnerably and I don't think that they did the right thing. I think they're human, I think they're going through whatever they're going through and the relationship is in a state right now I would say of disrepair Vulnerability Trust Paradox On your first date, well, I guess everybody's story is different, but on your first date, if let's say you're just meeting the girl for the first time, right, so you're probably not going to like open up your closet and go like, here's all my stuff, right? It's not probably appropriate, and if somebody did that, that would be fascinating.
Usually what we do is we test the waters, right? And then we see how they respond, right? If they can hold space for some of our imperfections, if we see that they're genuinely interested Rebbeim Rebbeim has to be an honorable person. And that's where it gets tricky because we're all human and we all make mistakes. And I would say one thing that Rebbeim, I think in a general sense Rebbeim do this really well.
It's a Vault. Whatever is said in that office, unless it's the safety of the Talmud or somebody else's safety, If you know a certain person that I know and again, I think it comes probably from a difficult place in his life But he has a tendency and he's I guess in the world of the rabbinate. He has a tendency to talk about other people and I'll never trust him because I know what he said to me and if I would trust him with something I know that he's gonna say it to somebody else. So inadvertently He created a situation where I actually want at some point I wanted to trust him. I wanted him to be a person I could go to and share with. But then when he started talking, I was like, I just can't. So I do think that being a real honorable person in this regard is super important.
You said a second ago about when a kid's in your office, that office is like a vault, right? If you had a kid that was sitting in front of you that was new to Yeshiva, that's not so used to opening up to Rebbe and being very vulnerable, Rabbi K'vintzmi Y. I should open up and be vulnerable to somebody. What could that do for me in my life? What would you say? I don't know if I would answer him. I think I would ask help me understand the question What what do you what are you asking me? You want to play the game? I don't know if I'm... In my opinion, I think what you could answer to that per se and this was another thing I want to talk about was What have you seen as benefits of kids that came into Yeshiva in the beginning that really worked on themselves to be vulnerable in their life and where has that taken them today? If you have any examples.
Right, so I think those are two very different questions. I like both of them. You can answer whatever you want. The first question I think is a good example of what you've done in your life. And I think that's a good example of what you've done in your life. Embracing the Vulnerability Israel gap year b'iyun podcast
Gomara Vulnerability Israel gap year b'iyun podcastion If you're armored up, right, and if you're holding people away because you're afraid of vulnerability, then how does someone marry you? What version of yourself are they marrying and what happens when they finally figure out who you really are, right? You could pretend to know what the Gemara is talking about, but then you actually haven't connected to Gemara. You don't actually know what's happening. So learning to be okay with the imperfection is, I think, fundamentally even in business,
You want to be successful, you want to be able to connect to your clients. Vulnerability is at the core of all of those things. Certainly in Yiddish K'ayat if we want to connect Hashem, the point of connection is within. That's where we meet Hashem within ourselves. If we don't do that, if we're not vulnerable, we're not in self. How do we connect to Hashem? Very true. And back to kind of a point that you said before that I really want to touch on is, you know, there's two or many, not more than two, not there is more than two, excuse me, sides of the vulnerability aspect. You have a Rebbe, you have a friend or whatever may be and I this question is more more predicated on the peer-to-peer, not the Rebbe Talmud of what's your advice for somebody that you have a close friend, they tell you something super, super important about themselves
I can't help but think also based off of what you're saying that like You know, yes, you have students that open up It's easy for them. It's not for some. Okay, and and now Do you have any examples per se of a tomba debt poseshiva went through you know the stages of life whether it was dating marriage and They struggled a lot with you know being vulnerable and whatnot and to maybe their detriment it did something To felt you know affect them in the negative way in the future Do you have any examples of that and maybe cute you touch on that for a second where vulnerability hurt them? I think the one that's coming to mind, and again, I don't think this is unique. I don't think I'm saying anything about a specific person, but this concept comes to mind.
The Godly Soul is a nuclear reactor of love and connection. Sometimes when people are struggling in dating, it's because they're not showing up in self. So where is that connection? It's because the Godly Soul is a nuclear reactor of love and connection. Sometimes when people are struggling in dating, it's because they're not showing up in self. Where is that connection? It's like the date's not going well. It's like why isn't it going well? Well, who showed up to the date? This version of yourself showed up to the date, which is understandable. Because we're all going to put on some version of ourself in the beginning. But if we're not moving towards self, then you do see that sometimes dating can become that much harder. People are attracted to people that are open and vulnerable because they see, G-d-y-o There's a strength that you have. There's something safe about being with someone who's genuinely okay with not always being okay.
And that connection, when it doesn't happen in dating, can be really painful. Or, like you mentioned, if they're not, let's say, they've managed to put on that version of themselves and they've managed to go to Chippah like that, Okay, well at some point you're living with somebody and you can only keep that version of yourself going for X amount of time and nobody knows us like our spouses. Right, so there's negative impact to that decision because then it's like, wait a second, the guy that I dated, the girl that I dated, you seem to be to be somebody else right now. But then there is the process of learning, right? So then the person learns like, oh, armoring up is not going to work very well in my relationship, right? Like, the marriage isn't working. Enzoic at some point of let's say it was a guy right could go both ways We'll see was a guy who's armored up and he's like, why won't she connect to me right at some point?
He has to learn she can't connect to you because you're not participating in this relationship the version of yourself is But she's seeing past the version and you're still showing up as that guy so that connection isn't happening I think that we see it in a million different ways a person goes out and they want to be successful in life All of business is about connection. If I'm not genuinely present, who's the person that I'm talking to? People get a sense that I'm about to use your service. They get a sense of like, are you real? Are you just a salesman? Because I have to trust you because I'm about to invest in you. So I think it's everything. Certainly, certainly when it comes to our Yiddish kite. How long are we going to armor up and show up to davening saying the words within the Bible?
You know, at one point I want to touch on, it's kind of niche I guess you could say in this context, but you know, I'm sure you have a lot of talmidim you advise or give advice when it comes to dating and whatnot. Guys and girls on each side, because I know you speak in seminaries. There might not be a general answer for this one, but when it comes to dating, right, sometimes as you mentioned earlier, that you sit in front of somebody that some guy set you up with, some girl set you up with, and you're like, I really don't know this person, and you're starred from scratch, right? What's your advice to somebody now is the time when you're dating where it's more okay to be vulnerable. I'm sure it's a hard balance but what would you say your advice that you probably get to people are. Yeah I'll tell you what I don't like. I don't like Rebbeim that give the checklist of on a first date, you do this.
On a second date, you do this. On a fifth date, you should be holding by here. On the eighth date you should be holding by there. Relationships unfold in their own time and in their own space and every relationship is going to develop differently. So it seems to me to be unwise to give some sort of advice that you're supposed to be holding here at this point. I'm not sure why anyone thinks that makes any sense. I know that I've gotten those phone calls before. I feel like we should be holding here and it's like, should you be? I don't know, maybe she's slower to open up, maybe you're slower to open up, maybe it just needs more runway, I don't know. So I'm definitely not a fan of the checklist. I'll tell you what I am a fan of. I believe that we all know the answers to our questions inside of ourselves. And people have a very strong sense of intuition when they're in self.
And so you meet people sometimes, and some people they just, they appear to be more confident. It's not confidence. It's they're in touch with themselves. I think you're exceptionally vulnerable. No, I'm being serious. It's not easy to do what you're doing, right? You put yourself out there. You made this Israel Gap Year thing, right? You started with this podcast. You're reaching out. I don't know if you know everyone that you're reaching out to, or if you've interacted with everyone you're reaching out to, but you're certainly right. You're reaching out to people. You're asking them to do something. There's a lot of courage that's here, right?
Vulnerability Israel gap year b'iyun podcast I wish I wouldn't have spent so much time when I was younger thinking about what other people thought. And that really struck me because when I met him he was this really courageous, really open, really vulnerable person. It never occurred to me that he was like, you know, like my father. He was like, I'm going to be a very, very vulnerable person. And he was like, I'm going to be a very vulnerable person.
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