Tanya - Fifth Perek - Part 1

3:06 When you're thinking about an idea and you now understand the idea, what's the relationship between the mind and the idea? So now what we would say is that the mind has grasped the idea. So there's my mind and there's the idea. What's the relationship right now between the mind and the idea? Once the idea is understood, once the idea is understood by the mind, then the mind has, so to speak, grasped the idea. So the mind is in control of the idea. Is that clear so far? One second.

4:25 Black marker That would be great, black would be better. Not worth it. Can you see? Yeah, arm. Shh. No, not that. Something else. So far so good? That was not the hard part by the way. If this is hard for you then you can have a very hard time today. This should be easy. Again, just very simple. Do you understand? One plus one? So that means you're Haarei Hashecha Trofei sassam musko uma'kifo v'sechlo And it surrounds the idea with the mind. In other words, the idea is where it's enveloped, it's a little bit different, it's a little bit different. It's a little bit different. Shabbat G-d-r-i-p-a-t. So, here is the idea. The idea is to develop, right, with the mind. In other words the idea is where it's enveloped, it's grasped by the mind. So this would be the mind so to speak, right, and it's grasping the idea.

5:37 Is that clear? Is it holding the idea or it's... It's holding the idea within it. It's makkv right, it enveloped the idea. The idea has been brought inside of the mind. That's what it means it grasps it. Chachman Meenadas So think about it like this, just simple way of putting it. If I have a cup, and I put water inside the cup, the cup now contains the water. Simple, right? Okay. The hamusgal and the idea, nitzvas umukav umulubash batocha seikhach, yisigaves kilo. T injuries also, and the idea is now Nitzwas, it's held, and makiv and surrounded, ummulubash and it's clothed inside of the seikh of it. Understood it. Exhibited. So far so good? Not yet. So far so good? Clear? Now, Paige Reshvav, ve'gam ha seikhal hamulubash bimuskel v'shosh amasigo v'tosho b'siklo

7:12 Casselot. Not only that not only that but there's something else in that moment that the person is understanding the idea his sehrel is enveloped by the idea in other words yeah but watch how it goes that's exactly right or you'll see what I mean in a second in that moment when When you are grasping the idea, can your mind think of anything else? No, it's consumed by it. It's consumed by it. So now, a minute ago we said the mind consumes the idea. Now what are you saying? The idea consumes the mind. And now it's the reverse. So when you are thinking, two things have happened. On the one hand your mind grasps the idea, right? He says He is still in the mind. The idea is enveloped and ensconced within the mind and on the same time, the idea has enveloped the mind. It's grasped by the mind, because Roy when you're thinking of something, can you think of two things at once?

8:29 No sure. You can't. You can't. You can't. You don't have something else in the back of your mind when you can't focus on two things. Sometimes it's something I could try. Sometimes when I'm focusing... I can say it by thinking of... You're the only one who just did. You're thinking of two things and they were sequential. At the same time. They could tell you quickly. You can think, you can be 100% focused on me and be thinking about mornings here at the same time. No. No, that's because then you're not focused on me. I'm just saying. Didn't you say you were sitting in a red bed when you were in college one year, when you were being part of the other year? I feel like you're happy with like... Koshan Amaisai, I'm gonna tell you what the tanya says. Multitasking is not the same thing. Multitasking is not have to do with my mind. In fact the only thing you can do with your multitasking doesn't involve your mind. Right? It's a mindless activity that you can do that doesn't require your mind.

9:26 Rebbe, again, those are not ideas. Guys? You guys with me? Those are not ideas. Those are activities. I'm specifically speaking about ideas here. Can I think about two different subjects at once? If I'm truly thinking about one of them, can I think about anything else? It's not possible. So I didn't say the idea understands you. What I said was the idea has grasped the mind. The mind cannot entertain anything else. So who owns the mind? The idea. And who owns the mind? I'm sorry, who owns the idea? The mind. This is called the world. Tziras Tziyu Avozan And ask your favorite. Do not ask me for the next 10 minutes. Don't ask me about Chachmabina Dass. Don't ask me about the Zayens Tziras. Don't ask me about the Shwash B'lubushim. Don't ask me about Yeh Tzohara. Don't ask me about D'ar Hashaam. Just see if your mind can grasp this one singular idea. Yeah? It's a good idea. Just one thing at a time. I see now why you guys think that you can do two things at once. Because you're doing neither at once. Right?

10:40 All I'm saying is this. True intimacy. This is the big move. True intimacy requires double oneness. It would not be enough. This bottle of water is not truly one. Why? Because the water is contained by the bottle. But the bottle is not contained by the water. Yes, that makes sense. That makes sense? But, if you wanted to have true oneness with something, you would need the following to happen. At once, the mind consumes the idea, the idea consumes the mind. Both are holding the other. That's the idea of true intimacy. If one person, I'll tell you what it would look like in a relationship, just to pull it back. Let's say, in a relationship, intimacy is about creating space for another. Let's say the husband creates space for the wife. So now the wife enters into the domain of the husband. Is that intimate? No.

11:46 Correct. Because that would be like the bottle containing the water. But it would not be true oneness because true oneness is we both create space for each other at the same time and we both live within our own space and the other person's space at the same time. That's what's called true intimacy. Intimacy has nothing to do with the physical. The physical is an expression of the intimate. By the way, that's why if you pervert the physical when you don't have the intimate, it has such a destructive quality to it. Because what you're doing is you're taking an activity that's meant to reflect intimacy and you're just using it for gratification. But there's something that's debilitating about that. There's something that's like, what are we doing here? There's no intimacy. And so the activity itself and the generation that falls into that is going We are going to end up with perverse notions of what sexuality is meant to be. True physical intimacy should only occur within the guidelines of actual intimacy. Actual intimacy requires double oneness. We are going to be referring to double oneness for the rest of the shiur. Make sure that you get it.

13:01 Two questions? One? One question. Why did I pull this into intimacy? Because the altar of a said, oh, because in the introduction, you're going to see in a minute, but the introduction, it says, Ayyidaya saga satar mitz achtima makal shbaruch b'yichonifla. Yeah? See on the top, the heading over there? Okay, that's why I'm giving you the foreshadow. Now the truth is we had it already yesterday when we were discussing micha bikal amelach, right? It's the idea of grasping, of holding on, of becoming one with. We're going to develop that idea further. Jonathan. So basically what Rebbe just said, one is truly one with Hashem, that double oneness exists in the Shabbos, where in the Torah, when you're... Okay, good. Now you're jumping now to what the altarev is going to say. But yes, there's only going to be one mitzvah that involves double oneness. And according to Rebbe's muscle with interseal with your true wife, that sense of true oneness happens when you are in a physical way with your wife, right?

14:17 No, it's the symptom of the binding. In other words, this is where people conflate it, right? They say intimacy is physical. No, intimacy expresses itself as physical, right? So it's the result of intimacy. So I have a, so based off that, I have like a lot of school things I'm gonna figure out. So just like when you're not learning Torah with Hashem at that moment, you can still have, you can still have the manifestation of that relationship throughout your whole life. And the The same thing with your wife. You're not necessarily physically with her at that moment, but you still share that relationship at all times with her, that double one. So is that true? The basis of the relationship with your wife is the fact that she's your partner in regards to her being the one you want with her. The space that you and she create for each other exists even when you're not together.

15:13 So Tovit Hashem? The base of the relationship is the Torah that you created with him but that... Okay, hold on, we're gonna see. Yeah, Rafi. How do you define... the definition of double oneness is just when the idea... when a mind grasps an idea and the idea consumes the body? Any time, in other words, I can't say go back to the bottle. I can't say the bottle has true oneness because the water doesn't contain the bottle. The bottle contains the water. So that's only half intimacy, right? But it's not true intimacy because the bottle itself is not grasped by the word But when it comes to thoughts, by the way, you should be... this is what you should be thinking Remember Ha'V Herb What's the Torah's euphemism for sexuality? Das Right that's how this whole conversation started Was that correct and Adam knew cover he was laid as well What does that mean? It means true intimacy was created, right? Because das is what it has only in the level of intellect Can two things actually engage with each other and be totally one?

16:16 Physically, it can only be a manifestation of the intellect Yeah And then it slips away and then you think about the next A'r. Tana, he's a young legend, brother-in-law and physician, Mishah. Erintar. Excellent question, and that leads me to the next line in time. Very good, I appreciate it. Thank you for your remarks, I was trying to... I appreciate the assist, it's an alley-oop. Okay, Derich Marshall. For example, keshia Adam mevan umasik eizor halach abi Mishnah obigamara l'ashur al b'uya. Very critical words here. When a person is learning Halach.

17:32 Amishna Agamara How much? La Ashura Al Burya To the fullest extent, okay? In other words, what are we learning, boys? Be'yen, right? Because we want to learn deeply. We want to understand something to its depth. That's correct. Ha'rei sichlo tofis u makiv osa Ve'gam sichlo me luvash baba osa sha So it's an unbelievable thing. And again, this goes back. We're now answering the question of why learn Gemara, why learn halachah, why learn Mishnah, why learn anything that's devarishan. If you understand this, these questions I'm telling you will start to fade away. The relevancy of Torah becomes obvious. By the end of today I hope that the relevancy of Torah will become obvious. Even I hope it's going to make a big impact on you! In the moment, when you're learning Ahalach, a Mishnah, or a piece of Gemara, and you're actually learning it, meaning you're not just saying the words, but you're using your mind, what happens now?

18:36 The idea of the Torah is enveloped by your mind, and the idea of the Torah contains your mind. You understand what starts to happen? You got that guys? In that moment when you're learning, 20 minutes later or not, but right now when you're thinking about this idea and the idea of the Torah is, right, a person's learning Gemara, it doesn't matter what the Gemara is, the Gemara can be totally irrelevant to your life. But you're learning Gemara, now at that moment the Gemara is contained by your mind and it contains your mind because you can't think of anything else at that moment. Yeah? I was just working with the guys that also cover your mind. Meaning the Levush is your mind. Oh, but it's also the idea. No, the Levush is not the idea, the idea is the Torah, right? The Gomorrah that you are learning, the halacha that you are learning, the missions that you are learning. It doesn't matter.

19:25 So the nafesh of the double cover? So now, my soul, right, which has an aspect of intelligence to it, is now being ensconced, enveloped, surrounded by Torah but it's also grasping Torah. Right, so two things are happening at once. Now watch this. Ve'hine Halacha Zu Now what is this thing that your mind has just grasped? Hech ach maso Ritzonashal Al-Qadosh Baruch. What is it? It's the will and wisdom of God. Does it matter what the content of the halacha is now? If the content of the halacha was do jumping jacks, does that matter? It's important, but does it matter? It's important in the sense that obviously if God is telling me to do jumping jacks, I want to know why I'm doing jumping jacks, right? Shabbat Tov takhan Tov takhn Tov takhan Tov takhan Tov takhan Tov takhan Tov takhan Tov takhan Tov click on the page or to download the video.

20:44 Shabbat HaYiHapSak Beynaiym Ka'vakah The will of God is that this should be the halacha. So let's say you're sitting there and you're learning Shnaim Ochsom Batalas, or you're learning Gittin. Right? You want to know why does it say befanneh nechtham befanneh nechtham. Is that a din on the Shmah or is that a din in verifying the Gittin. It doesn't matter what you're learning, right? What is it? In its essence, what is it? If you boil it all out, what is it? Shura' al-Burya V'a'afim lo ha'yavul o'ya' daruzela olam But Rebbe let's say it's totally irrelevant to my life and this case would never in a million years happen Yeah, that's the classic Yeshiva guy Tanya, the classic Yeshiva guy Tanya is like, Rebbe, you're telling me there's a case where a guy falls off a roof and impregnates a woman? That's never gonna happen, right? But that's not the question. The question is not whether it's going to happen. We jump because we make a mistake. Listen here's where I'm going to make the mistake, guys. Critical.

22:13 Make the mistake, guys, critical. Where do we make the mistake? We say, I want to learn things that I could put into practice. That is not correct. When it comes to intimacy, practice is not what's critical. What's critical? Knowledge is what's critical. If you know things about your wife, are those things relevant to you? Not at all. Not at all. There's going to be tons of things you know about your wife that have absolutely no relevancy to you. And yet, you want to know them and you want to know them, B'ion. Why? Because the more you know them, the greater intimacy has occurred. Because you're grasping the idea and the idea grasps you. So I could tell you the most ridiculous things about my wife, things that would be of no interest to you, but I'm obsessed with them. They're important to me to know. The more you know, the greater the intimacy, because knowledge is where true intimacy occurs.

23:09 Now of course it has to get to the role of action. But when guys come in they say this halach is totally irrelevant in my life. I don't own many oxen that I'm worried about what happens if one of those oxen goes out and gores three times. I live in the five towns and this is the mistake that Rebbei make, yeah? No, no, we can make it relevant to you because just change oxen to cars and then we'll show you what the halach would be in that case. No, you're missing the point. If you're trying to make it relevant then you've already lost the basic. Beham mecol mokom nevertheless, meachre shekach'al uberetzon vechach masre shalachat dosh Baruch Hu since it came up that this is the will and wisdom of God, Sheyam Yiton Zechach, Yav Zechach, that if one person says this and the other person says this, this is the Pzachalachah, this is the critical line now.

24:23 Haarei kish'adam yodayah u masig bezichlop sak zachalachah. When a person knows that this is the halachah, this is what he's supposed to do. Ha'aruch habe Mishnah o Gemara o poschim ha'raiz em masik v'tofis u makis b'siklo ritzonu v'chach masash La'akadosh Baruch Hu What happens? Now what was brought into your mind? The will and wisdom of God. So God wants, if this, God says as follows, if ever such a scenario would occur, this is what I want. This is what, this is what my wisdom dictates should be. Now you, it doesn't matter if it ever happens, right now you're sitting in beis medrash, you're learning that Gemara. Now you know. If Ruvayim picks up the talus at the same time, Shimon picks up the talus at the same time, the halacha is that this is what should happen. Now what changed? In you, what changed? Now all of a sudden your wisdom, your intellect, grasps his will in wisdom.

25:15 And, as you'll see in a moment, his will in wisdom grasps your mind. But, guys, didn't we say that God cannot be understood? Remember we said that? That God can't be understood? Baqhabra, what did we say since God can't be understood? How do we connect to God? Because he was mitzam same himself Into the Torah that he distilled his wisdom and his will into the Torah So what are you engaging with when you engage with the Torah? You're engaging with God So look what he says, D'alash mach Shavat Visevei, V'lovir Sonu V'chach Maso, K'im b'Sleb Shusan B'alach Zaruqah Zavanenu Nobody can grasp God. What can we grasp though? We can grasp the Torah, the will and wisdom of God V'gan sichlomu lubashvam. One second, let me just finish it up and open up. This is going to be a lot of questions in about 30 seconds.

26:02 I just want you to appreciate what happens every single time you're learning. Fundamental change. So again, it's unbelievable. Can you understand God? Of course you can't understand God. Can you understand Torah? Yes. What is Torah? God and His wisdom are one. Remember that? God and His wisdom are one. So when we say God's wisdom is in the Torah, what do we mean? God was mitzamseim His wisdom into the Torah. So now what happens when I'm learning? It's more than just hugging the king. I'm bringing the king inside of myself and I'm bringing myself inside of the king. The idea grasps the mind, the mind grasps the idea. Last line and then I'm going to open it up for questions. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of questions. I hope there's going to be a lot of questions. V'hu Yichod Nifla This is the ultimate oneness. This is the ultimate singularity. This is the ultimate in, dare I say, intimacy.

27:21 She'ein Yichod Kamo There is no other oneness like this. V'lo ke'er konim sachlal bagashmiyez. And nothing of this caliber can be found in the physical world. Because in the physical world, what can you only be, guys? You can only be close, right? In the physical world, even if you slap someone five, right? Okay, so your hand and their hand are touching, but is there true oneness? Has there been a meld? No, that can only happen what guys? On the intellectual level when it goes to the abstract mind. Only in the realm of abstraction can true intimacy occur. Leos lach chadim umi uchadim mamishmi kol tzadupina Only then from every single angle will you actually be intimate. In the physical world you can only touch, you can only come close. Hallech HaLachah Mishnaes Gemara I'm going to open the floor to questions now. I imagine that we're going to have quite a number of questions. It's 5.01 so just bear in mind, about 45 minutes until we have to David Meirach. Ezra.

28:55 It's 5.01 so just bear in mind about 45 minutes until we have to dive in Mayrif. Ezra. I do not understand how understanding is like... Guys, guys, guys, I've only one Akpada. Just because I want everyone to understand every question that's being asked and every answer that's being repeated, it's important to us. It's important to listen to the questions. Yes, Ezra. If you read it simply as if you learn Torah you're becoming into the Luka'a. We can just learn the Kias, we don't really care about how people are going into the ian. So Ezra's question is why do I need to learn deeply in order to understand? Why do we need to understand to become into it? Because if I don't understand to the depth of it, is my mind truly engaged? Right? Surface level understanding doesn't create true engagement. See what happens is when you think deeply about something, I don't know if you've ever seen someone shvitz in learning.

29:59 You ever seen someone who's really thinking about learning? You go over to them and interrupt them in that moment. It's the most unpleasant thing. So when you see a real massamid, they're like, this is how my Rebbe is. I mean, he wasn't sitting like this. My Rebbe was like this, like when he was thinking. Shabbat Al-Tareb Relevancy, I'm not saying relevancy isn't an important question, right? But the question is what's called relevant? Right, where does that where does where does that start? So we can have two things Relevant could mean something like for example, I'm in business So I'd like to learn the halachos of business because that's relevant to me. Okay, or and Which is meaningful or we could say relevant is relevant to God I think about things. Well, sure, right? I want to hear about the way you think about things. Not because imagine a husband who sits down with his wife and his wife says, let me tell you about my day.

31:29 And the husband goes, doesn't really seem relevant to me. Yeah. Right? What would her response be? Why are we here? Right. You're clearly not interested in me. If you are interested in God, then what you are interested in is what he is interested in. So yes, there are going to be things that are more relevant to your practical life right now. But that's not the starting point. That's the second point. It is given that everything now is relevant because it's what God wants and I'm in a relationship with God, now the question is, are there things that should be prioritized in my learning? Because those are going to be things that I practically can use to serve God right

33:09 If there are things that are more relevant to you, you're still getting that connection no matter what, because it's his wisdom, right? So why would you not just do the things that are more relevant to you than do things that are not relevant? Because you've got to be honest with that. Gohmetzia Haedamish something, that's known as zikken, right? But then he comes to Sotah Right Sotah is a woman who cheats on Cheats on her husband. She drinks these special waters and if she cheated then she explodes Okay, we're not getting into the whole detail, right? So now the truth is there are things that are relevant there But let's just for the purpose of this conversation say Rebbe, there's no base on me today, right? If my wife cheats on me, I'm probably just going to divorce her. I'm certainly not going to give her magical waters to drink

35:01 If you're going to come to Mesachisotah, should you learn it? If you don't, then it turns out that all of your previous learning was narcissistic. I mean, yeah, if you've got nothing else, then yeah. Well, what do you mean nothing else? I could always go back and learn those things again. But you're not already. Right, the point is this. If my wife wants to have two conversations with me, and one of them is about her, and one of them involves me, right? And I say, let's just discuss the one that involves me. I mean, it's not the same thing though. Why? Because they're talking to you. So is God. Different. Why? Again, let's assume for a second that God is real. What was that? Again, without getting into whether or not the rabbis had the right to Darshan Psukkim, whether or not the Torah is real, whether or not God is real.

35:48 Let's assume all those things are true. Let's assume God is real. Let's assume God gave the Torah. Let's assume the Gemara is the Torah Sheba'al Peh. And there's an accurate transmission and all that stuff. Let's assume that. So now, why is that any less the word of God? Why is that not a communication? The fact that the communication happened thousands of years ago doesn't mean it's not relevant to you. In fact, that's what the Torah says, it's equally relevant to you today in every single generation. So why is that not relevant? Can I answer? Sure. So it is relevant, but I think it's more relevant to one of the things that are more relevant to you and God. Be careful now. It's not more relevant. What you mean to say is it's more practical. Okay, good. And therefore I might be more interested in it, right? Yeah. But that's the problem. It's not, you're saying it's not. Right, in other words, when I would love, if I'm being very honest, I would love to only talk to my wife about things that interest me. Yeah. That would be amazing.

36:39 That would be like an amazing marriage. If I could be in a marriage where everything my wife said was interesting, that would be amazing. But that's not true. That's not into the marriage. Right. Because it would only be about me. So most, not most of the time, but some of the time your wife is going to want to talk about things that are not of interest to you at all. So here's, let me play it out for you practically, because this is what it looks like, right? Your wife takes you shopping for drapes. Edgway Yisrael Yisrael Yisrael Yisrael Edgyweit. I feel like, yeah, definitely Edgyweit is very close. No, but then she'll go. I personally think Edgyweit is very close. If you say Edgyweit and you say it confidently, then she's going to go, really? Because I feel like White Way. And then what are you supposed to say? You feel like White Way? How am I supposed to respond to that? You feel away. OK, you feel away. I have no feeling. So most of us

38:13 should show what Jonathan is. Most of you should really go. Not Edgyweit. Honestly, honestly, it really doesn't matter to me which ever one you want, right? And this is what your wife will say to you. What was that? Oh dear, Lord. Then you're going You have to be in the shop forever, you have to be in the shop forever, you have to get out. So for you it's a bad example. Right? This is what most women are going to say a lot. When you leave Jonathan's answer aircraft, most women are gonna say the following words. They are gonna say, I feel like you are not here. How in the world is a man supposed to respond to that? Whether I'm here or not, is not subject to your feelings. The Eagles TBR Day and you're gonna watch the game later and you went shopping and it's still not enough.

39:29 It's still not enough. I feel like you're not here, right? So what's the right answer? What do you do? So here's the thing. This is the key. You ready for it? I'll give you the key. Everyone want a happy marriage? This is the key. Ready for it? It goes as follows. You don't have to be interested in drapes. Be ridiculous to think, aside from one person here, it's ridiculous to think that you're going to be interested in shopping for drapes. Am I right? Here's where you have to be though. You have to be interested in her. And if she's interested in drapes, then you have to be interested in her who's interested in drapes. You hear the chilik? So you're right. I would love to be in a relationship where I could only learn that which was relevant to me. But if I'm interested in her, then it's interesting to me. So the question is not gettin' or sotah or bababasra.

40:18 That's, listen, I could totally hear that somebody would say, if you said to me, Okay, Rebbe. I'm sold. I want true intimacy. I'm gonna spend the next 20 years of my life really learning all of the practical alakhs first I'll sign that deal with you right now. You'll devote the next 20 years of your life to it. You got it, baby I'm right here. I'll sign it up, but mostly what happens is it's mostly guys going like Can't handle morning seder so boring Why did we say that makes perfect sense why we said that until today? You see how obvious that becomes? Because where else would intimacy occur? Rebbe I'm gonna do all the mitzvahs. Am I a bad person? If I do all the mitzvahs, but I don't learn? No, you're not a bad person, but that's like saying I served my wife perfectly But I was not interested in learning about her Everything she asked me to do I did Except for one thing I know nothing about her. What would you say about that relationship? But the guy did everything right It's not a healthy relationship. Rafi

41:42 Why don't we have like, obviously you have like a strong desire. First of all, you have a Nefeshah Bahamis. The Nefeshah Bahamis is involved in self-gratification and it's not always the most gratifying thing to sit and listen and to sit and learn. It's not always the most gratifying thing. Second of all, we are in a very utility-oriented culture. We're not in a relationship-oriented culture. Abetometer lives in Los Angeles. So in Los Angeles, aside from gas is very expensive, but also the roads is a massive amount of traffic. I was at his house for Shabbos and we made a nice alumni Shabbaton. It was beautiful. I was shocked when he went shopping and he came back with no soda. So I said, do you need me to run and pick up soda? Because I saw you didn't pick up any soda for Shabbos. He started laughing at me.

43:09 He goes, you buy soda from a store? He was like, where do you buy soda from? He was like, you buy soda from Amazon. … What are you talking about? When it came… it was the first time I'd ever seen in my life. Probably you guys have done it before. And I'm probably living in the stone ages still. Do you buy soda from him? No I buy a lot of stuff, not soda in particular but everything. Right. So he doesn't buy… this is his policy, he doesn't buy anything heavy. He doesn't buy anything heavy. There is no reason for him to schlep anything. At that time he lived on the top floor of an apartment building. It was like a three story, four story apartment building. So, Amazon I guess has some sort of grocery store, delivery service, whatever it is. Amazon Fresh or whatever. Give them the key or house and they go in your house.

43:56 So, when it comes to the door, there is soda in a box. Every single one is individually bubble wrapped. Right? With this very thick bubble wrap and it's perfectly placed at your door. That's amazing. Because the truth is, I hate schlepping soda. You know what I'm saying? You put it in the plastic bags and it's tearing through the plastic bags and you have to double bag it. Shabbat teshuva m We Lose Interaction Thank you very much. It used to mean that you had to say good morning. They have the biggest suicide rate in the total people. Because why? Because they have all done it, nobody talks to them. It wasn't for obvious reasons. Well, no, but now they don't even have jobs. They don't exist anymore.

45:31 It's just cameras on top. You know there used to be guys on top. Bro, can I send you a kiss? Why's the toll booth? Yeah, why would you know? Guys, do you know that you used to have to ask directions from total booth operators? You would stop and you would be like, Am lost can you please help me? And they were people that knew directions. In fact, I remember coming up when they just came out with the internet in the early 90s. I remember I was like 16 years old. I had a brilliant idea. There was something called MapQuest. Have you guys ever heard of MapQuest? I said, you know what we should do? We should put computers in every gas station with printers, right? Like built in and like a console and you could pay, go on the internet and print out directions. This way you'll never get lost. Q'ilu, you could get directions at any gas station Brilliant idea, it's called GPS right?

46:24 I would've been out of business in two years anyway when they come up with the next thing, the point is, every time we live in a utility culture, Rafi, to answer your question. So we've actually lost sight of what it means to be in a relationship, and I'll push it one step further. It used to be that colleges were places where even though this was very dangerous, but His

47:12 Zekh. If we understand this time of God should we accept what? If we have trouble with the concepts because it might not fit our eyes. Excellent question. That is a super good question. The answer is yes and no and no and yes. I believe that And I don't want to please don't bring up specific issues because I don't want to get into the specific issues Probably all figure out what I'm talking about anyway. It's just not relevant right now But yes, we're living into 2019 today soon to be 2020 and we're living very much with a 2019 2020 morality

50:02 So, when Afterdah was talking about this in his first tale of the Purim, it sounds like he's speaking about the intellectual aspect of Torah almost like it's this. Yes and no and no and yes because let's say for example you were studying architecture. So your mind grasps with the idea and the idea grasps your mind. But the architect is not in the book because remember the architect is not one with his thoughts. So you have not established a relationship with the architect by studying architecture, just with architecture. But when it comes to the Torah, because God is one with the Torah, because the Torah is his will and wisdom, so when I'm grasping the Torah, I'm not just grasping the ideas of the Torah, I'm grasping God. And in that regard, it's more uniquely intimate than any other chachma. Make sense? So I'm going to have a follow-up now.

51:21 Okay. So when we're talking about the highest level of intimacy, we're leaving it almost on like an intellectual level. I would venture to say that if something is going to be on the highest intimacy level, I would want to internalize that to be emotional. That mama should be a part of me, that I should breathe and feel that fire in your boat. Like the Pasuch says, v'yadot tes Hashem, first you have to know, v'hachevos el v'vavach, and then the emotions come. So through learning and connecting to Hashem on the intellectual level, that transits into emotion and action? That's the whole beginning of Tanya, right? Chachmabin adas Chabad leads to Chagat. That's right. And the more you know and the more intimate the knowledge, and again especially if it's focused, right? Because that's key. Because you can't just be learning it as an intellectual pursuit. But if you're learning it because it's God's will and wisdom, yes, it will have a profound impact on your emotions.

52:16 Which is why we often see in Yeshiva that a guy gets into his learning and then all of a sudden everything else starts to click into place. And it's like how did that happen, right? Because the more you're invested on a deep level, and when I say invested I mean bahasmah darabah. You're really, you're cuckling and learning and you're really pushing yourself and you're challenging yourself and you want to understand. It seeps into your being. It has a tremendous impact. I've seen it time and time again. Alright. Pre-question question. So is the Torah purely physical? Is the Torah merely a purely spiritual? It is spirituality clothed in physicality. Right, in other words, at the point that you pass away, so there's no more struggle, so to speak, for the mind to consume the idea and the idea to consume the mind. So, lima natura in this world is the only time, that's what we said yesterday, and olam haba, you'll only have zivashchina, but you won't have grasping the melach himself like you have in this world.

53:33 I guess I want to ask how, what is the pop up? And that's exactly what the Aotter Rebbe is coming to avoid. The nishama is an important tool and a vehicle into bringing Akolash Baruch Hu down into this world. And that is what's amazing. Remember the physicality is the goal, not the spirituality. They tell a story by the way about the L'Baba Churebi, that a guy once came to the L'Baba Churebi and he said it's not fair that the kuzari says that I'm the lowest creation. I would love to be the lowest creation because that's the destination of godliness.

55:07 But the Neshamah itself is not going to engage, it's going to be the Levushim that engaged with G-dlings. I understand, but there's like, there's like, there's like, there's Neshamos Wayim as a person. Yes. The mentality of me, besides for any other baggage, you're mad at me as well. Okay. So why, so, so, and then like, if I can't engage or something, like if I can't engage with the most important thing that exists, What is my existence? As I am being visible. Anon Maba'a And yet the purpose of creation is Deir B'tachthainim. In that regard, this world is only a proselyt. Both are true. So, I guess we were then, if Adam hadn't sinned, you would never have, you wouldn't be able to interact with him, you wouldn't be able to learn Torah, Saitur, any more, or anything to do with the Shabbat, on other hand.

56:38 Very good. And now you understand why he did. I thought that was a great answer. Yeah, exactly. The same way that we're supposed to not just learn things in a practicality with L'Uneach, but also apply to the realm of secular subject. Should we be going to learning about the world? We are going to get the Azer Hashem. I'm trying to look where we're gonna get to it quickly We're going to get to it, I don't remember exactly what parakeet it's in but you're asking me a very important question if you need to go You know We're going to get to a parake that's going to discuss What's the role of secular wisdom given what we just said? Because remember before I answer Jonathan there's a difference in secular wisdom and Torah wisdom in this regard very good question. Tovya If you are a vult My 613 limbs are now clothed in the Torah via the Levushim.

58:09 Is the Torah expressing you? Because you also, you are clothed in Torah, so you're clothed in Torah. Meaning I am expressed, my essence is expressed in the vehicle of the Torah, yes. In other words, my essence is expressing itself in a mitzvah. Shabbat Tanya As much as I'm joking around, the guy's got so many questions. Is there anybody you've met in your life more that's more intellectually curious? And it's a beautiful thing. My I'll put your beautiful thing on here, please don't stop. Mistah v'edama Ahm teshuvv el Jilmurh Tierziz El Lressed Oh, meaning ideally the point is I've grasped it, I'm sure I'll bore you. It's really totally understood.

59:31 So it's the beginning of intimacy but it's not, yeah, it has not reached its full rich potential. Intellectual or whatever, intellectual pursuits. That is a question of authenticity. That's the, that's a question that a person has to ask themself in the quiet solitude of the truth of their life when they think to themself, am I really behaving as I truly want to? And also why? His idea of being low is because you are, you have, there is a potential for Hashem Baruch Ha'Jisrael Mhm, that's exactly right. That's why Hakadosh Baruch created us in perfect. Because from our imperfection comes the beauty. The cracks will allow in the light. If you're lower it's harder to find by year, you know, most people don't find it out. Roy can I give you a way of thinking about it? If everything in your marriage always goes right and you never have a fight with your wife, so then you've never found each other in the dark.

1:00:50 In other words, you've never really discovered how much you deeply love that person until you almost want to kill them and yet you're loyal and you guys work it out and you stay and you realize, okay, I've done some things and she's done some things. What was that? Yeah, but it's probably not because you're an amazing balmidos and she's an amazing balasmidos. It's much more likely that you're... Do you have to make mistakes? It's not that you have to, you will. So, but it's not like a feel guilty because you made a mistake, it's that the fact that you did that, which always happens to everyone, is an opportunity to break. Exactly right. See, most couples don't understand that when they fight, if they would actually translate the words of the fight, the words would be beautiful. What was he really saying? I really want to spend time with you, but I'm nervous and I'm concerned that I'm not going to be able to satisfy your request here because we have so many other things.

1:02:12 And I kind of feel like you don't appreciate me. And I wish you would appreciate me because I'm doing all of this for you. But you just have to learn to translate the words. When they get into the fight, right, and after all the dust settles, then they're able to say, wait a second, it really was all beautiful things that were being said. And then there's amazing levels of intimacy that are achieved. Same thing. If you're in a situation, let's say a person was in a situation where they're like totally disinterested in Yiddish. They go off to some college, they party like crazy, they do all the avayras that they thought they would never do. It's like, whoa, I can't believe I went that far. And then in the depth of that place, they're like, is this really my life? Like, how did I get here? This is not like a good feeling. I don't feel like I'm purposeful. I don't feel like I'm waking up in the morning. I'm doing anything meaningful in my life. I feel empty, right? And then they say to themselves, oh, I learned something amazing about myself. Turns out that I'm so incredibly godly that no matter how much I gratify my physical needs, I still won't be satisfied with that. Then those people start to do teshuva. They start to come back. They start to reintroduce godliness into G-d Tanya Rebbe nachman ravi

1:03:26 What is the end of the world, Adarabbat? It's the beginning of a new phase in a relationship. It's an amazing thing. No, we were created balanced and Adam's state made us more imbalanced, but we were already not perfect. If we were balanced then... Balance doesn't mean perfect because 50% was still an Ephrash of the Hamas. It wasn't 80-20, it was 50-50, but that's still imperfect. It's not perfection because there's the absence of goblinness. ...and how much does that balance just conceal? But that's the point. That concealment is what we call imperfection. And then, if you don't have free will, can you come in tonight? I'm not talking about free will with you. I don't know what to talk about. I promise you that I will, I love, I think it is your mission in this year to sneak free will into every single one of these years.

1:04:55 Like from Indonesia, let's say like... You have free will. Shammah standing on the farmhouse and like very low furov because of course we never like...right? So Shammah standing on the farmhouse, remember that means, right? And he was like, of course you'd call it Gemara, you'd start learning it. And to fire you out at living Gemara would be like, amazing, that's the best. But is that really intimacy because there's no, there's no like, there's no... There's no struggle. Right. That's what I'm saying. Can you have intimacy if there's no furov? Not really. That's why we say you can't have true intimacy unless you can get divorced. So how would you tell Yisrael Yisrael Yisrael? I told you it's not the same thing. It's a totally different thing. They say that Rav Aaron Kuttler, he started crying once because when Putner was telling him over a piece of Torah that he had developed about the value of struggling and learning.

1:05:46 And Rav Aaron Kuttler started crying because he didn't understand the concept of struggling and learning. He was a genius. He was such a genius that there was nothing he could grasp immediately. And he said, I wasn't as life into that. It's a totally different thing. But we can't really say it. Not me. But this part is not really how people can't really tell it. It's a complicated subject, but for now, at least just understand this. It's not the same. Rafi. How can we say that learning holy people interpreted Hashem's words the same as learning Hashem's actual words? If you are like me, you can understand. But when we think about who Roshchim Baruch Hach was, this is a man who, for 13 years, sat in a cave, nothing else but unadulterated, sitting and learning all day. Terei, meaning his level of being was so it basically he lived off of almost nothing, right?

1:07:03 And he just sat and learned for 13 years. He was a person who was capable of when he came out of the cave after 12 years, he burned up everything around. Meaning that was the level of intensity of his kalusha. The Torah itself recognizes that it will be interpreted by the Bali Mesorah, right? So we're not sitting here saying like a random guy interpreted something. No, we're saying, and by the way, we're not saying he said something on his own either. He's saying this is what the word of God means when the Torah says this, just like the outer rabbis have said before. What does it mean when Eliyahu al-Anavi says, less machshavat tzvi sabei klava? Nothing can grasp God, right? Let's focus on the word grasp. He's just unpacking what already is. Now because this is a person who's dedicated his entire essence to learning Torah, right, But then before Yisrael Mary Chayyid that he still learned the word of God.

1:08:23 Shabbat Chavitz Chaim wrote that the reason the reason the reason the reason the reason the reason that the Vilna Goyne came out so stark against Chassidus is because he knew the value of Chassidus Chavz Chaim said this because he knew the value of Chassidus and anytime something so kadosh comes into the world it needs to have an opposing force so that it can actually come in because if it doesn't have an opposing force the sultan himself will stop it from coming in so the Gros said there's tremendous kadush of Chassidus I'm gonna keep it in Tammal Beit Ha'vosim Shechdangat Beit Adaposim Force and that's what allowed Chassidus to come into the world. I wouldn't have said that but the Chafestan said it. If Glam showed it to be brought down from the Gavachan and Wasserman it was the Talmud Mevagav of the Chafestan.